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Organized religion is just pointless. People like Right-Wing Christains, as a prime example, honestly believe that the bible is fact. They really believe that there were talking snakes, angels appeared to people, a burning bush told a guy to free slaves. Are you kidding me? If you honestly believe this you might as well believe in fairies and unicorns.

Thier evidence is that the bible is the inspired word of god. Yeah that is a great exlanation. Once you say that it was some invisible guy in the sky who made people write this stuff down, you lose all credibiltity. You become a narrow-minded thinker who says that only one way is right. You deny all other possibilites of what life is all about.

They also believe that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time. Any person with a brain can see this as complete nonsense. Basically they watch the Flintstones show and think it’s a documentary! Seriously people grow up. Religion is stupid and pointless. I cannot stress this enough. The bible is FANTASY! It is just STORIES! It is a group of fairy-tales made up to show people that maybe someone who we can’t see see cartes for us. Here is the reality folks, no one cares for us we are on our own.

Religion is an instituation made to keep people in order. Without it , we would become free thinkers. God forbit that. Who wants a nation filled with people who actually think for themselves? I’m going to bring up a disturbing truth that require some research OTHER THAN THE BIBLE! Jesus did not exist. He was a fabrication made up by people who wanted to depend on someone else and not care for themselves.

Enough is enough. Religious faith discourages independent thought and is dangerous to the human mind. Without it, the world would be a better place. Don’t believe me? How about right-wing christains, or radical islamists…yeah we really need these people on the earth. They make the world so much better. We can only hope for the day when when people wake up and realize blue fairies don’t exist.

People say monsters aren’t real, then they go home and pray to an invisible man with blonde fairies around him. Are people really this stupid? Honestly, people will believe anything. And if you want to think freely, stay away from religion which has caused more deaths in the history of the world and alienates people of different sexual peferences or races. Can’t you see how great religion has been?

I agree with you Ian.

Atheism is ignorance, it truly is. You guys need to go to your local church, confess all that you have done and just ask God for forgiveness. Otherwise, God have mercy your soul.

God wants us to go Heaven. However, we may not choose to believe in him and give in to society for money, women, etc. When we do that, we are going against what he wants for us.

First of all, what kind of name is Angus? Sounds like a dog or something. Secondly, Atheism is stupid. If you don’t believe in a god, then where did you come from? The toilet store?

Yeah, I’m with you on that one Cologero.

Well, I want to go in so. I thought Atheists knew. I thought Atheists knew. That’s right, you dont because you have nothing to believe in.

Wow I don’t even know what to say in response to some of these comments. I’m leaning towards what Ian had to say. But then again, Cologero you are just hillarious man.

Yea these comments are very shocking Chris. Your right about Cologero though, hes funny. I was a little confused on Verga’s comment though, it sounds like shes saying that to someone in the rain outside of a dance or something, confusing.

Wow guys, wow….Angus pretty much got it right….

A friend of mine on a website I frequent has the following statement in his account’s signature: “Let’s keep open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains fall out.”

Apply Occam’s Razor to life. Don’t equate unknown with unknowable. Evolution explains how life got to be the way it is, and because all religions are simply man-made dogmas, why believe in god at all? There is no evidence for it, there is sufficient evidence that the universe and life does not need to have had divine intervention to put it in motion, so why believe it?

Atheism cannot be ‘narrow minded’, in itself, because it isn’t a narrow enough definition. In fact, the only constraint that is has is that you cannot believe in a God or gods and, as far as all world religions and philosophies go, that doesn’t exactly narrow it down. An atheist could be a Buddhist, an animist, a nihilist, a hedonist, a secular humanist, a neo-Nazi, a passifist, a LaVeyan Satanist etc. To refer to atheism, possibly the most vague category of belief in popular use today, as ‘simple’ or ‘ignorant’ would be absurd, generalised and, ironically, very narrow minded. To say that they ‘believe nothing’ would be thuroughly misinformed.

bleh.

Angus, people like you are the most idiotic, ignorant, and annoying people on the face of the earth. You are also hypocritical and don’t realize the irony of your statements or know anything about Christianity.
You of course realize that science is just as much religion as Christianity. You read things out of books written by people you’ve never met who claim to have proof that this is true. You’ve never seen said proof but sicne it comes from a guy with a government paycheck it must be true. You honour and revere people who do important things for science like saints. You treat textbooks as absolute fact like bibles. Oh, and you change your version of doctrine every time a new factor comes about.
Looks very similar, doesn’t it?

Ahh.. another “debate” with the angry finger pointing.

“Oh, and you change your version of doctrine every time a new factor comes about.”

This statement you made, Rawlings, invalidates your argument that following science is like following religion. Being able to change “doctrine” in response to knew information is a key point of science. It evolves and changes as we learn more and more about the universe.

Angus, your entire rant lost all credibility when you tried to assert that Christ did not exist. That goes against the majority of historical scholarship and common sense. Documentation exists OUTSIDE of the Bible that Christians followed a central Messiah (Christ) and was willing to DIE for them. Even their enemies documented this fact.

This doesn’t mean all the claims about Christ are true, but just trying to create it as some sort of massive delusion about a person that never existed is trying too hard.

Do some homework and make your rant a bit more compelling.

@ Eli – why is atheism ignorance? Atheism is based on making decisions based on what we as humans can sense. I can’t sense God with any of my five senses, therefore it’s not sensible to believe that God exists. Atheism isn’t ignorance, it just makes sense. As far as going against what God “wants for us” – you seem to think money and women are a bad thing. In fact most Christians value both of those. I have a loving wife and a bank account. And I’m an atheist.

@ Rawlings : there’s one profound difference between faith in science and faith in religion. One is evidence-based and the other is not.

Sure, we both have faith. Everyone decides what to believe. But some of us make rational decisions and some of us make decisions based on emotions evoked from mythological stories.

I realize that not everything that you do is based on your emotions. You are as human as I am and have equal if not more reasoning capabilities. But your core belief in God is most definitely emotional in nature.

I will also say that not all emotions are negative. They make life much more rich than it would be otherwise. Without emotions we may as well be a giant ant colony.

But when it comes to a fundamental decision about the nature of reality, observation is much more accurate. Science is based on observation. And our powers of observation have grown much in the last few hundred years. But nobody has yet to observe any clear indication that God is the creator of the universe. That’s why there are so many versions of God, and why none can be verified as any more true than another.

So if I have to make a choice about what to believe, I’ll choose reason over ancient mythology (even though ancient mythology is emotionally appealing).

@Cologero : I would say that Angus sounds like a burger more than a dog.

Plus – it’s just not very imaginative to use movie quotes for insulting people. If you keep it up I might just have to take your mother Dorothy Mantooth out for a nice seafood dinner and never call her AGAIN!

Listen screw religion. it’s all a bunch of crap. religion has been used to manipulate and murder people.

the bible has been used as a tool to degrade people the church sees as unfit such as homosexuals.

Hows that for your religious beliefs?!

booyah!!!

when the bible was edited by king james he changed facts to control people

early christians were not bad people but the current ones are basically science-fiction freaks

OOOHHHH!!! BUSTED RAWLINGS!!!!

Busted? I think not.
Have you ever actually seen evidence of such things as the theory of evolution? Have you seen any evidence that disproves God?
I’m pretty sure it’s safe to assume you haven’t.
I just love it when people say science is based on fact and evidence when they have never seen a lick of that so-called “evidence” themselves.
And Angus, just stop posting here. Seriously. You have no idea of what you’re talking about and just ranting on like… well I’d say an angsty teenager but I’ve used that one a few too many times. You just sound like a rebel to me, “ooh take that society, imma gonna insult your religion! I’m so bad!”
Here’s something for you. You guys who tell us religion is a bunch of crap are trying to make us conform to your lack of beliefs right?
They got a word for that. Fascism.
I’m not telling you you’re wrong for your beliefs, I’m just pointing out that you’ve seen just as much evidence for yours as we have for ours. What’s more, is that you seem to know very little of you’re talking about as well and simply using insults and “I’m right and you’re wrong” for your arguments. You also seem to distort history in your arguments as well, because the bible has changed surprisingly little since the Dead Sea Scrolls. In fact, based on copies they’ve dug up from around the same time, the current bible only has about 7 passages with different meaning in them.
Now listen, I’m not going to sit here and tell you you’re wrong for your beliefs, but Christianity’s impact is one of the greatest on the world. The European discovery of the Americas, Spain’s independence from the Moors, the reason the Roman Empire decayed to the point it did when it fell, most of the world’s ethics, and the fact that Europe never descended into a hellish anarchy during the Dark Ages.
At least be a little less rude about expressing your beliefs if you’re going to do it, because acting superior for not believing in God says a lot about you, and none of it good.
Come back when you grow up and stop being a fascist.

Eli, you’re retarded.

@Rawlings : look around you. It’s apparent that God does not exist. We as a living species have set up society ourselves with no divine help. Everything we enjoy and experience is completely organic in nature – not divine. We’re made up of the same elements that the universe is made of. Let’s forget about science for a minute. Let’s just look around. Life proliferates no matter what. No matter what we believe about God or Satan or science. We can live a good and honorable life without the fear of going to hell. This is not fascism. This is just living according to good sense as opposed to living by an ancient book for which sources cannot be verified. I am an atheist, but not a fascist. I don’t really understand why you group the two together.

First off, your argument is invalid because all that exists by the wil of God and the fact that we have free will allows to believe as we choose, which is what God intended I believe. To each his own. Whether you believe God is the reason for nature or not is irrelevant to the argument and nothing more that a simple statement of belief.
I could say I believe, and I do believe this, that God is resonsible for all things organic and their proliferation. Who’s to say God isn’t? He made life able to reproduce. It says in the bible to go forth and multiply.
I equated not atheism to fascim, but atheists who sit there and tell me that God does not exist and I’m wrong for believing in this and wasting my time. That’s fascism and discrimination. Hitler believed he was the only one who could be right and everyone who didn’t agree with him was wrong. He took it a step further by killing anyone who disagreed with him.
My point is, if you’re sitting there telling me I have to agree with you or else I’m wrong, rather than allowing me to believe whatever I wish and leaving me alone about it, you’re a fascist.

Look back through my argument. Did I ever say any of you were wrong for your beliefs? Did I say you need to worship God or else you’re an idiot who’s willfully ignorant? No, I did not.
Yet despite this you sit here and tell me God isn’t real even though I’m just letting you know you’re just as likely to be wrong as I am without even saying you’re wrong.
You call yourselves good people? Everything any of you atheists have said to me is to make me not believe in God. Everything I have said to you is to let you know that your beliefs are as fallible as mine.
At this point I’m convinced that most of you are only arguing with me to try and do the impossible and make a Christian give up his faith, or simply arguing for the sake of doing so.
You’re very immature for attacking my faith when I have yet to attack yours.

People are not fascists because they tell you you’re wrong. That’s a dramatic overstatement. There are annoying people of every race, creed and color who will be rude and say that you’re wrong for your belief. That’s not excluded to atheists, but to opposing theists as well.

According to you, your main point is that atheists are just as likely to be wrong as theists. I see your point. We all choose to believe what makes sense to us, whether it’s from a religious point of view, or a scientific one. The main difference, as stated before is that a world-view based on science is evidence-based. Religion is revelation/tradition/faith based, meaning you’re trusting a guy who claimed God spoke to him and wrote it down. No need for evidence in that case – just faith.

So in response to your main point – that we both are just as likely to be wrong about our worldview – I believe is erroneous until there is more first hand evidence of a creator.

And by the way I’m not trying to make you change your beliefs. Just sharing how I believe – and I hope you can help me make sense of yours.

Again, as to science being evidence-based, you have not actually seen any such evidence. You are taking the word of people who claim to have seen evidence. The only difference between what I have and what you have is instead of believing in God, you believe in a guy with a degree and a government paycheck.
I’m not gonna go all conspiracy theory on you, but still, evidence is only evidence if you yourself have seen it, and most normal people, the people who matter most, haven’t, which makes me call shenanigans.

So in response to your response to my main point, there’s no firsthand evidence of anything you’re told and odds are that if it exists, which it may or may not, you probably won’t ever see it and only hear about it from school or textbooks.

However, if you choose to believe such evidence exists, that is perfectly fine. I’m hardly doing anything different.
This brings me to another point that just about everything is faith-based from a certain point of view, in that we believe in what we believe with or without evidence, and sway from such a viewpoint means you never truly believed it.
You’re a good guy and an intelligent guy, Myleviathan. Glad to see that not all atheists here are quite as bad as Angus or as whiney as Ian.

You are very sadly mistaken when you think that the Bible is just fantasy. And yes, these things happened in the Bible that you don’t think did. God is real! And He could strike any of us dead at any point, so if I were you, I’d be pretty cautious to be saying some of the stuff you are saying. Try reading the Bible, you might like it.